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At the moment, we find the following results:
More than half (54%) assume a scenario of economic depression, 1930's like.
About a fourth (27%) think about some economic collapse, a partial meltdown of our civilization.
Some (18%) however feel we are due an amazing economic boom ahead.
Late October is a new market downturn.
Most likely, it will not be a full blown crash!!
Probably just a new downturn that will bring a end to the euphoric moods.
As you will see below, I think we will see a repetition of a great economic pressure in the next months. Probably, once again, it will recover somehow in 2010, but the social consequences will already be too big by then. The world is not be the same.
A full-blown trading crash could occur later, only by late 2010 and early 2011, as the currency probably fails. The Great Depression becomes realized and the bottom of this second great depression will be somewhere between 2014 and 2019.
Here are the results of my studies, for the next months and years:
Late October 2009: possibility of a new downturn in stock markets (but not a full crash), ends the euphoric rise
December 2009: dollar and US economy becomes again under significant pressure Pluto and Saturn make pressure in 3º Cancer US Venus and Uranus squares 23º Gem Mars and Virgo Neptune.May 2010: new rise in markets, new speculative bubble or inflation. Significant scientific invention. Grand action. Uranus/Jupiter effect
August 2010: a repetition of September 2008 style meltdown? Significant tension in the following months
November 2010 -April 2011: the recession becomes gradually a economic depression
April 2011- probability of a significant crash or downturn (a change in US currency status?) Uranus and Pluto are affecting the 3º Cancer US Venus.
April 2011- August 2011: economic depression is accepted as a reality: this becomes a very difficult period
May 2012- start of conflict, revolutionary war, earth changes, alien disclosure, or simply the great depression
2013: sounds a time of great hardships and social difficulty, social unrest grows
January- April 2014- a very very dramatic period for the US: like a destruction or great transformation: it can involve masses of populations becoming affected: climax of transformation period (cardinal Grand cross)
There is some likehood of earth changes or wars; independently of that, great masses of population are affected The critical degrees are the 14º cardinal US Cancer Sun and Libra Saturn.
2015-2019- bottom of great depression of 2011-2019
2023- a gradual rebirth of social structures, end of great depression, new energies, great inventions; possibility of new US borders, revolution or something: Uranus in Gemini, Pluto in Aquarius
2025-2029- possibility of large social revolutions worldwide, technological growth accelerates! Possibly alien disclosure of technology by now.
2030- a period of great social and national change worldwide, the transformation of the former decades is grounded.
In next 26 October, a perfect grand square (using a heliocentric approach) between Mars, Uranus, Pluto and Saturn, may signal a stock market crash or some unpredictable event that causes markets to turn significantly downwards.
If you see my former post, one week ago, I have pointed out that stock market crashes occur when during a Uranus/Saturn alignment, transiting Mars or Earth conjuncted, opposed or squared that alignment. This is of course, using an heliocentric approach to a horoscope map, instead of the common geocentric approach.
Back in the early months of 2008, I was predicting (in http://www.astrotransits.blogspot.com/) that we (worldwide) would be approaching an economic depression in the late months of 2008 or early months of 2009, into the next decade. In fact, I even pointed out a market scare, around the early days of October, as we were approaching the typical Uranus/Saturn opposition, it was the typical month of October, and there were several predictions (Lucky days, Webbot, etc) pointing to this. And I was correct with my prediction, and these other guys were also correct: it occured!! The big economic meltdown was occuring.
Now, my heliocentric system predicts some charged period for the late days of October, with a tense astrological alignment which occurs typically in stock market crashes. Now, the webbot also predicts a powerful economic event for this week.
I think I was totally wrong to rely in a geocentric approach to predict stock market variations. Although it shows some correlation, most stock market crashes in the past occur when there is a Uranus/Saturn configuration triggered by transiting Mars or Earth, as I have shown before.
A Pluto/Saturn, which occurs this autumn, is also a heavy time and a significant turning point (last time was 2001, backwards was 1991, 1982, 1974, 1966, 1956, 1947, 1938, 1931). All these years include important socio-economic changes! Respectively, the economic depression, the start of world war II, the end of world war and Roswell, Suez crises, the sixties agitation start, a oil crises, a cold war tension, and the sovietic fall. It frequently correlates with wars with Israel (1948, 1956, 1967, 1973) and crises in the Middle East, and nuclear tensions (1956, 1973, 1982, 2000), so I naturally predict these to happen again.
Whether a stock market crash or a Middle East conflict, to occur in near future, we remain to know. Hopefully, not the first and neither the other.
We are now under the activated effect of the Uranus-Saturn opposition.
And because it's October and we are under an approaching Pluto-Saturn square, this could reflect in a significant downturn.
All the current week features a Uranus-Saturn opposition triggered by Mercury and Mars. Then, in the end of the month, the horoscope configuration features one that resembles other past stock market crashs (see second post).
Hopefully I will be wrong as I was for last August/September.
4 October features a Full Moon in mid Libra, and a Mercury-Uranus opposition that is perfectly aspected by Uranus. Also important is the approaching Mars-Node conjunction.11 October features a even more complex rectangle between Mars/Node, Saturn/Mercury/Venus, Uranus and North Node (and a Jupiter-Sun trine, and Sun-Moon quadrature)24 October features a heliocentric Pluto-Mercury square (trine to Sun), and a perfect Uranus-Mars-Saturn T-square. Mars in early LeoAs the month of November progresses, the mental-uranian energy gives way to a more scorpionic-emotional-dense energy...7 November features a Saturn-Pluto square, with semi-square to Sun/Mercury
If we use heliocentric astrology, we can tentatively predict stock market crashes, the first thing, is that usually there is an important aspect between Uranus and Saturn, or between Uranus and another outer planet.Particularly relevant is when we have a T-square between three outer planets, or an aspect of these outer planets in cardinal cusps or signs. Examples include 1873, 1893, 1907, 1929-1931, 1987 and 2008-2010.When transiting (heliocentric) Earth, Mars or Mercury aspects the outer planets, namely Uranus or Saturn, a stock market crash is likely to occur (but not 100% of the times!)Examples:- In 12.09.2008 and 06.10.2008 when both heliocentric Earth and Mercury aligned with Saturn-Uranus opposition, we had our recent global economic meltdown
- There was also a significant aspect in the 1987 October crash (Mars square Saturn-Uranus) and also in the panics of 18.09.1873 (Mars opposition Uranus, conjunct Saturn) or 14.10.1907 (Earth squares Uranus-Neptune, Mercury conjunct Uranus, Mars conjunct Saturn).
- In the 1929 crash, the downturn started between in late September, when there were a series of hard aspects from Earth to Saturn, Uranus and Pluto occured, but only a small Mercury square Uranus, and Mercury conjunct to Pluto.
Nothing happened in 18.09.2009 (when Earth aspected Uranus-Saturn) and so my prediction was wrong.We can now look forward to 23-28 October 2009 when both Mars and Mercury aspect the Saturn-Uranus to see what happens, and form a grand cross with Pluto.Before that, in 5 October, Mercury also squares Uranus-Saturn. However, it's the late October Mars square that seems very likely to cause a crash, although I am not sure about it.Nearly all the crashes occur in September or October.If not, there are still major transits next year, with plenty of important cardinal configurations, similarly to what happened in 1931. In April 1931, there was a grand cross between Earth, Pluto/Jupiter, Uranus and Saturn, when a sustained and major declined occured again.We will have similar configurations in:- 23-28 October 2009
- 17-20 December 2009
- 15-22 March 2010
- 3-11 and 23-27 June 2010
- 21-24 September 2010
- 1-20 December 2010
Saturn in Libra to Capricorn; usually correlates with periods of recurrent crises leading to revolutions or conflicts leading to economic crises.It's astonishing to see this correlation!Nearly all economic periods have a financial crises, which is a economic depression in more than half of the times, particularly harder during a cardinal alignment, as it will be next decade.(Saturn in Aries is in italic; represents a new cycle and period)Obviously the cycles make most sense since 1770s.1627-1637 Tulip Mania1656-1666 Fire and Plague in London1686-1696 English Glorious revolution1715-1725 South Sea Bubble, financial crises1745-1755 Economic stagnation1775-1785 America US revolutionary war (1776) leads to a depression-like financial crises in Europe and US (1782) and to French Revolution (1789)1791 1804-1814 Napoleonic wars cause devastation in Europe (1803-15), followed by Year without Summer famine (1816). Depression in US (1807 and 1819); widespread crises18211833-1843 Panic and 5-year depression of 1837-1841, followed by Irish famine (1845-49) and Year of Revolutions (1848)18511863-1873 America Civil War (1861-65) leads to 1869 panic and Long Depression (1873-79)18801893-1903 Panic of 1893 leads to economic 4-year depression; then panic of 190719091922-1932 After WWI instability leads to Great Depression (1929-1945) and WWII19381951-1961 significant recession in 1958-1960; 20% unemployment19691980-1990 Stock market crash in 1987 and soviet collapse (1988); economic slowdown19992009-2019 New economic depression, high unemployment, revolutions, social unrest2027
As I wrote last week, the Monday and Tuesday have been generally nice, due to the positive influence of Jupiter. However, the T-square is coming to exact orb next Friday, and as you know, many people will feel under intense pressure by then. As the Moon progresses into Virgo in Friday and Scorpio by next Monday, the feelings will become heavier. The Friday, 18th September seem particularly intense. Although I was wrong for the mid August date, unemployment are reaching its higher percentages this summer, and this is real economy, not stocks economy!Prediction is a tricky business. We can follow the previous events, from previous decades, and see where a pattern occurs. Then, we can predict reasonably when an event will occur, but narrowing it to a specific month is not so easy; to a specific day it's even harder!The whole of this cardinal energy resembles the configuration found in the Great Depression of 1931-1933, and that of Long Depression 1873-1895. However, things are never the same, although the energy is identical. The high of energy is between late 2008 and late 2015, with a maximum somewhere in 2010-2012. Short-term, let's say:- August-October 2009- March-April 2010- July-October 2010
- and August 2011I will make a guess that next week the fall will start gradually, until the end of the month, there is plenty of retrogade Mercury and intense T-square energy between Saturn, Uranus and Pluto.Obviously there is immense controlling by the governments and corporations, as it is usual in a Pluto transit in Capricorn. The effects are not sudden, they are very painfully gradual and hidden, slowly deconstructing our reality and giving birth to a new one.The effect of the T-square will establish itself by the end of the month and by late October, when Pluto and Saturn square each other in cardinal points, there will be again very high energy. Got the idea of a long and gradual transformation? We must have loads of patience!Otherwise, the bankers and governments are just keeping the illusion of a economical recovery, an artificial high destined to crash sooner or later, despite the fact of the ever increasing unemployment, tension and pressures. There is a tense social situation. And the pressure builts and builts continuously, and it will not last longer, by 2010 or 2011, we will admit we are into a great depression, the transformation will then accelerate further, as Uranus enters Aries, it will be a big party of much change. Positively, this is a perfect timing to start new projects, but not to follow the old line of business as usual.
